Tuesday, July 31, 2018

Discussion 14: Another Best July 30 - Due August 3

COMMENT and at least a REPLY.

Here is what Kathryn had to say about the meaty topic or self-reflection.

Same as discussion 13.




1.         I was expecting the course to provide me with a cultural history of Italy. I had imagined history textbook-like readings of wars and tensions, art and architecture, and societal advances for which Italy is responsible . In reading that the course would be about the ‘ethnic experience’ I was expecting more modern readings and reports of life in Italy and how the society now flows amongst/is influenced by it’s history.

 

2.         I am now extremely curious about the birth of Roman society and how ancient Greece influenced the very beginnings of Italian culture. There was a glimpse of the overlap of worshipping many gods that was implemented in Julius Caesar when they celebrated many different gods and goddesses. I wonder if the belief that Emperors such as Nero, being ‘divine sons’ and a conduit to the gods, was indeed true. Or was it really just a ploy to stay in the most powerful position. Whatever the case, the desire to be a dictator that plays god while simultaneously being the head of state existed then as it does now. When a leader fears loss of power, they limit the powers of government.

            One thing that came up for me these past two weeks has been a deepening of my interest in the roots of Christianity. Though I would not currently claim myself as a Catholic, I did spend the first 18 years of my life being taught the church’s teachings. Quo Vadis spurred my emotional memory with it’s portrayal of Christian beginnings being utterly idealistic with it’s baseline belief in humans being giving and forgiving. There is such beautiful simplicity in the desire to live a moral life. But when a group comes into a belief system without any openness they become rigid and rejecting. Perhaps this rigidity lent itself ultimately to the implementation of the Inquisiton.

           

            I do feel a gap in my understanding of when Christianity was first starting and how it infiltrated, eventually getting to the point of the takeover by the Inquisition. From watching The Name of the Rose and reading additional material, the Franciscans really come across as the good guys to me that wanted to follow the moral compass. I took great interest in learning about the roles of monks and their time spent in scriptoriums recording knowledge so that it wouldn’t be lost forever. And the fact that the use of astrology and astronomy was heresy further demonstrates the fear of science disproving the church’s teachings. Were different orders and sects using the establishment and it’s spiritual insurance policies to justify their greed?

           

            Because of this deepening understanding of the history of Christianity and Catholicism, it has brought about embarrassment for the corrupt nature within the church. This was not my belief about the institution growing up. But embracing Boccaccio’s low-brow tales and the simple realism of life’s base desires in the Decameron completely flipped my experience. Nothing is sacred and All is sacred. We, including those who choose to be clergy, are all human animals. This positions me for a great release when entering the Renaissance.

 

3.         As a curious artist and builder with a growing passion for science and inventions, I myself am in a Renaissance. Of course I realize that one can only know that they living in a truly glorious moment if it is accompanied by the experience of something devastating to which it can be compared. Therefore, I am expecting the next phase of our learning to unfurl majestically with the subject matter while being aware of the inevitable downfall and corruption in history to follow.

23 comments:

  1. Hello Kathryn,

    Your response was clearly thought out and you put a lot of effort into considering all of the material we've reviewed so far. Im highly interested in the question you proposed about the beliefs of conduits and divinities of God. Did the Roman people used to truly believe that there were Sons of God that had a special relationship with God? Its hard to imagine that they were people who had this divine connection. In the movie Quo Vadis Nero does not seem to be more or less significant than any other person. He was not particularly intelligent or bright so what about him was distinctive enough for him to be a divinity of God?

    On another note, you expressed a rejuvenation and interest of the start of Christianity and I believe we are sharing the same experience. I am also quite fascinated and interested in the roots of the religion. In another one of my responses I mention that my understanding of Christianity is only what overlaps with the beginning of my own religion (Islam). So I am learning a lot about these religious figures that I had heard of but don't necessarily know of.

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    1. Hi Crystal. I did not realize that Christianity overlaps Islam. I do not know much about either religion but this has peeked my interest, and I intend to learn more about the topic!

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  2. Kathryn provided a well thought out response to the self reflection prompt. I agree with her point on Christianity. I learnt about the political side of the christian religion that I was not aware of before.

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    1. Hi Melissa,
      I do agree with you that Kathryn provided a well throughout response to the homework. Like yourself, I learned something new about the political side of the Christian religion.

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  3. Kathryn provided such a strong and detailed response for the assignment. I am too interested to learn the history of the most numerous belief in the world, Christianity, as well as curious about beautiful simplicity in the desire to live a moral life.

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  4. Kathryn and I both wrote that we expected to learn more about Italian cultural history. Kathryn on the other hand, wrote a lot about religion. She compared her beliefs/knowledge to the movie Quo Vadis. Not knowing much about Christianity I myself can’t draw much from the religious themes to my own life.

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    1. I agree with you Fan. But I'm glad she's open minded and her willingness to learn more about abother culture.

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    2. Katherine SchindlarAugust 3, 2018 at 4:27 PM

      Fan,
      I also wrote I wanted to learn more of Italian culture, religion, and rich history but I did not provide the videos to support my views. I feel my reflection on my learning to appear shallow compared to Kathryn's.

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  5. She is one that is eager to learn and always wants more. I felt the same way when she mentioned about textbooks. I thought there were going to be a lot of textbook and tons of readings about Italy.

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  6. I believe Kathryn, and most of people in this class, also have similar expectations and thoughts of this class. I'm glad I can relate to that. I'm glad I also got a preview on her thoughts since I get to understand what others have to say. I like to keep my mind open for possibilities and see the world from a different point of view. I got to see Kathryn's perspective of the class.

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  7. Katherine SchindlarAugust 3, 2018 at 4:24 PM

    This writing to support Kathryn's views are impressive. I liked how she incorporated the videos as evidence to how her feelings evolved. Nice job. Interesting how Kathryn incorporated the view that she is in her own Renaissance.

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  8. On first submission, I felt that these thoughts were far too personal and suffered an embarrassment of regret. But now upon rereading them, they come across as a more universal curiosity than I had originally thought. I suppose that is the plight of the artist or creator- to translate an utterly intimate journey and solo experience into something relatable into which many can find a way. And now it sounds as if this week’s movie is speaking through me.

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    1. I'm glad you don't regret what you wrote after rereading. I think relating the material to your own life is a good way to delve deeper into the material and envelop yourself in the Italian culture.

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  9. I had a similar response to Kathryn's for the first question but mine was only a sentence so I see where I could've expanded my writing to make my thoughts more clearly understood. Like Crystal, Kathryn went back to our previous assignments and referenced them to support her reflection. She also related the material to her personally in her reflection which made her reflection feel much more insightful. These are things I can apply to future assignments and reflections.

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    1. My response was also quite shorter as well. Perhaps I did not think outside the box but going forward I will try to expand my answers with greater detail.

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  10. Same as Crystal, Karthryn must have put in a lot of efforts when doing the assignment. When she says she was expecting more readings, I feel she really shows her eager to learn. Me too, I am really looking forward to explore the culture of Italian but I do not like have it done by reading. Fortunately, this course is structured by videos and I really like it.

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    1. I noticed a remark about reading as well. I feel the same way about video lectures and find them easier to comprehend.

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    2. Yes, we have the same feeling

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    3. I had meant that in terms of the readings, I was expecting all the material to be presented solely in text-book form. I, too, have really grown to love the video structure, and it has catapulted me to go off and research topics deeper that I probably wouldn't have otherwise been inspired to know more about or even have encountered

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  11. I really like how structured Kathryn's response is. Also, the last paragraph feels very poetic and philosophical. I loved the idea of being in the Renaissance. My takeaway from this reply is to try to push the analysis forward and try to structure my replies similarly.

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  13. I agree with Kathryn in terms of what I was expecting from this course. I expected more of a textbook/articles on the history of Italy. I also expected more of a modern history, perhaps turn of the 20th century time frame. However, I do enjoy learning on the current time frame we are currently being exposed. Until I began this course, I was completely unaware on Italian history from the time frame being studied.

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    1. Going forward, I will give an answer with greater supporting details. I felt that Kathryn did a great job in this assignment, and I would like to mimic the work as well.

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